dgti supplementary id question in case anyone knows 

so i know that the last name on the id has to be the legal last name (which sucks a lot for me :/)
but the first name can be chosen, and the field says "first name(s)" so i assume that means one or multiple

does the Illegal middle name count? can that also go in the first name(s) field if i keep the last name field the same as my legal last name?

dgti supplementary id question in case anyone knows 

@AgathaSorceress i think it prolly does, given how personal names in german do and how personal name fields in id's work

also the personal name field is what you can choose yourself, so you can probably put anything in anyways bc it is just for their information and not for mapping between id and dgti id

dgti supplementary id question in case anyone knows 

@phseiff hmm makes sense

dgti supplementary id question in case anyone knows 

@AgathaSorceress also in germany there is no legal differentiation between personal names (first name, second name, third name and so on) so when they say "first name" it kinda applies to any of them, i think, and if it's specifically "first name(s)" then it applies to all of them together, accordingly, i think

dgti supplementary id question in case anyone knows 

@phseiff hmm i wonder if it would be valid to put Agatha Valentine Lovelace in my first name(s) field and then put my dead last name in the last name field

having multiple names in Germany 

@AgathaSorceress @phseiff
in my experience Germans have a lot of trouble even recognising the concept of multiple first names, let alone multiple last names.

my legal name is Deadname Surname1 particle Surname2 Lastname. instead of indexing me as Lastname, they treat "Surname1 particle Surname2 Lastname" as a unit, and index me under 'S'. in one university card they actually wrote all family names run together without spaces.

so "Elilla Ramona de Carmen Surname1 particle Surname2 Lastname", while a basically unremarkable Latina name, would be right out. I just put "Elilla" in the DGTI; I have enough trouble as-is with multiple family names. (I had a postperson lecture me once on a package addressed to "Lastname" rather than "Surname1"; they look for the first name they can identify as a family name to index things.)

gender binary enforcing German cis oddity 

@AgathaSorceress @phseiff

also fun fact: until very recently it was mandatory per law to name your baby in Germany with a gendered name that matched their genitals. there was a law to enforce broadcasting baby genitals via gendered names. it was only revoked because an Indian family wanted to preserve their kid's foreign name, which was "unclearly gendered" for German speakers ("their classmates will get confused). they argued in court against xenocultural discrimination. which like, it totally was, but also how come the in the whole court proceedings no one mentioned that it's nonsensical to require gendered names to begin with, is beyond me.

this notion still pops up sometimes in random places. a cis friend was buying shoes the other day and noticed that after putting her name "Anna", the gender dropbox locked you to w. so she tried some other gendered names and found out there was a database of which gender each name can be. she tried some Chinese names and those weren't in the database.

gender binary enforcing German cis oddity 

@elilla @AgathaSorceress @phseiff I'm pretty sure that's a thing in Finland too, and even extends to name changes as an adult afaik but that part isn't enforced luckily

There are a few allowed gender-ambiguous names but I'm not sure if it's legal to name a child those, probably is, but still kinda blegh

gender binary enforcing German cis oddity 

@SigmaOne @AgathaSorceress @phseiff otoh you can change your name in Finland by filling a web form. even cis ppl.

I know trans girls that used this hack to dodge the weirdly backwards name change process in Germany: be a resident of Finland for a few months, change your name there, go back to Germany, it's the EU and the name change carries.

gender binary enforcing German cis oddity 

@elilla @SigmaOne @AgathaSorceress @phseiff the finnish law regarding gendered names was changed a few years back though, and while names are still basically gendered, it should nowadays be easier and more clear to get a ”wrongly gendered” name:

the law mentions a threshold of five (currently living?) people with that name and legal gender in finnish population database, and then it's good to go by filling that web form. five is usually easy to find.

gender binary enforcing German cis oddity 

@elilla @SigmaOne @AgathaSorceress @phseiff you can btw search for finnish names online, and it will give you statistics on how many people have a particular name.

great tool to check which names pass the 5 people threshold: if both men and women are at least 5, it's free game to pick for anyone! (and if not, it may still be possible, but may need a board review.)

verkkopalvelu.vrk.fi/nimipalve

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gender/name change laws 

@Stoori @enum @SigmaOne @AgathaSorceress @phseiff

meanwhile in Brazil we continue to have self-ID and you can just show up at a notary office and change your name/gender. tomorrow there's a roaming notary service celebrating Pride, you bring your IDs to a tent and do it for free on the spot:

g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noti

Brazil is definitely not a fun place for trans people, it just amuses me to no end that the country with a Latina culture of machismo, a dictator-wannabe in power, and the world's highest anti-trans violence has self-ID gender change and nobody cares; while in progressive Europe it's this big deal that's too radical even for the left-wing parties

gender/name change laws 

@elilla

kind of reminds me of when I first learnt about german trans laws and like

in ukraine, a country that is generally much more transphobic than western EU countries, all you need to do is wait until 18, get the f64.0 diagnosis and walk into your local registry office and go "hi please change my name and gender" and pay €0.20

like, i dont get how germany messed it up That badly

re: gender/name change laws 

@AgathaSorceress yeah we have to pay like 30 euro, but we don't even need a diagnosis.

the one weakness of the Brazilian system is that it doesn't consider that there's no notary offices abroad, which means I can't access it >.>

re: gender/name change laws 

@elilla yeah same here... it sucks a lot how things like that tend to have holes where if you fall into a specific category you get stuck and can't do anything about it, to which the government usually responds with "haha sorry we cant do anything about it"

gender/name change laws 

@AgathaSorceress @elilla fifty+ years of conservatives in power

Eastern Germany had better trans rights than we have now, and it was voiced as concern when the countries merged. and ignored.

gender/name change laws 

@meena @AgathaSorceress yes but I was born under a literal fascist military dictatorship (as late as 83). our elected President advocates beating small boys at any sign of gayness til they become men. we alone account for almost half of trans murders in the world. and we ~still~ have that one point better. when I say "no one cares", I'm including the large part of the population that absolutely hates trans ppl.

I also think we never had laws on binary gender names, number of names, having to add a common name if yours unusual or the likes. the German State seems oddly concerned about controlling people's names in particular.

gender/name change laws 

@elilla @AgathaSorceress yupp.
the naming laws date back to Germany being racist af towards Jewish people.

re: gender/name change laws 

@elilla @Stoori @enum @SigmaOne @AgathaSorceress @phseiff

In the US it varies by state, but most states doable. The issue for me might be birth certificate.

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